Showing posts with label Jefferson. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Jefferson. Show all posts

Saturday, November 18, 2023

Jefferson Depot-open for 'passenger' business in 2023!

 The 1880 Jefferson depot keeps reinventing itself since its days as a South Park Line depot ended in 1937.  I found two great current videos of the depot recently.  Below the videos is a telling of meeting the current owner last fall (2022) and their plans for the depot and adjacent caboose.

The depot is now available as an Airbnb rental.

The first video was put out by the Denver South Park & Pacific Historical Society showing the interior of the depot from their recent convention.


This second video is a news spot on the business now running both the restaurant and the Airbnb in the depot.

Excerpt from this post detailing a trip to the South Park with my daughter in fall 2022.

We scurried back to our car, drove downgrade, passing where the roadbed crosses to the right of 285, and entered into that great expanse, finally reaching the old, but still living town of Jefferson where the 1880 DSP&P depot still stands right off the highway.  The adjacent Hungry Moose Caboose restaurant, reopened for the first time in three years and under new ownership, was our place to stop for lunch.  The restaurant sits right on top of what would have been the west leg of the Jefferson wye.  

While we weren’t adventurous enough to order “The Trainwreck” sandwich which we were told by the owner was “huge” (In fact, you can buy a T-shirt that says “I survived the Trainwreck”), we indulged on a truly delectable bacon cheeseburger made from beef from a ranch just five miles away.  
BN caboose in primer west of Jefferson depot

    While eating, we got to chat with the owner.  He and his wife own both the restaurant and also the depot.  They live in the former depot presently and are in the process of converting it to be an Airbnb rental.  They hope to have it available next spring 2023.  Recently, the couple replaced all the original station windows to make it better insulated.  The old windows are sitting in the yard.  He explained that all the exterior and interior walls are original and the ticket window still exists as well.  As if this hard work wasn’t enough, he acquired a standard gauge Burlington Northern caboose and put it on a short stretch of track on the old roadbed just west of the station and plans to convert it to a two-person Airbnb rental too.
  
We asked him what it’s like to live in such a small town.  He remarked that he loved it, loved the quiet, and loved the closeness to nature.  There are 15 residents in Jefferson right now and the Community Center, across the highway next to the historic Jefferson school building with its old-time bell tower, offers a way to connect with neighbors.  Winters, he remarked, are challenging as it is very cold and very windy.  This reminded me of photos and stories I’ve seen of South Park cars being blown off tracks in the area.  It also explained the reason for those odd, wooden vestibules built outside the doors of the Como depot.  The South Park gets serious wind!

Sunday, November 20, 2022

A First Visit to Platte Canon, part 2

This is part 2 of my recent October 2022 visit to a portion of the abandoned Platte Canon route of the Colorado & Southern narrow gauge.  Part 1 can be found here

 Webster

The remains of the Webster water tank

Our next stop was the site of Webster, a place where C&S trains, both east and westbound, would stop for water.  We parked in a rutted road on the right which led to a very old cemetery on the hillside.  In the distance, on the left side of 285 are the remains of the Webster water tank.  Only the base is present and a field is in the place where the mainline and the siding large enough for 43 cars once were.  Unfortunately, the supports seem to be on a gated property so we could only snap shots from afar.  I would have loved to get up close to it!  Someone later commented on a forum that he had found the owner friendly to visitors, but we didn't know it at the time.  The beams look quite sturdy for a structure that hasn’t seen a train for over eighty years.  

The westbound tracks used to curve to the right shortly after the water tank.  The railroad then crossed 285 from left to right here.  On the right, the roadbed is now Colorado 60 for part of the way until the railroad made a horseshoe curve back to the highway and began its climb towards Kenosha Pass.  We took a short jaunt up this gravel road for a few minutes and turned back around, surrounded by vibrant aspen leaves.  

Colorado 60, the old C&S grade

Back on 285 the railroad was on the right, higher up on the hillside.  Along this stretch there are some palisade rock walls supporting the grade, but unfortunately, as the driver, I couldn’t see them.  The right-of-way crossed to the left at another spot, near railroad milepost 73, which we could not identify in passing.  

Hoosier

Colorado 58, the old C&S grade

Our next point of interest was where the route crossed 285 from left to right near a siding for nine cars known as Hoosier.  To the right, then, Colorado 58 comes off of 285 and is on the roadbed (though it parallels the road to the right slightly at some point) up Hall Valley until it curves off left at the Dake townsite (where large charcoal kilns once stood to the right of the roadbed) into a balloon loop, crossing the North Fork of the South Platte River, and then travels through a cut and returns parallel but higher again than 285.  

ROW curves left up ahead. Cut is barely visible at left

We drove onto the dirt C 58 road, noticing a moose mud hole on our left that Tom Klinger told us to watch for.  He said you can sometimes see moose there, but it was vacant at our visit.  We kept looking for the turnoff of the roadbed to the left, and I thought I found it.  I precariously took my rental car on a bumpy one-lane dirt track for a little bit.  From my Google Earth maps, I knew the railroad line would keep turning left, which our road did for a little while, but when the road started curving sharply right, I had the inkling we were not on the roadbed.  Later map research revealed that I had missed the ROW and instead was driving on C 811.  Needless to say, we turned around and headed back to 285 to continue the climb up Kenosha Pass. 

Kenosha Pass

Rebuilt main line, curving into stub end of wye to the left. Long ties at right would have been mainline

Finally, we reached the top of Kenosha Pass which was littered on left and right with a multitude of cars.  Visitors flooded the area to take in the fall mountain beauty.  We pulled off to the left and drove between parallel fences to another parking spot at the hiking trailheads.  From there we backtracked on foot to the partially rebuilt Kenosha wye where helper engines once turned after assisting trains up grade.  We started walking on the tracks from what was the stub end of the wye.  The right hand side, eastbound from our walking direction, of the narrow gauge wye is completely rebuilt.  A switch leading west leads to a short several feet of track.  The switch at this point is a stub switch and I got a chance to explain to my daughter how it worked since you can actually turn the switch stand.  Unfortunately, there is no connection to the rail.  

Stub end of wye out of sight to right

Following the longer rebuilt portion to the right (east) there are some longer ties that make it appear that there were (are?) plans for a switch to build more track that would potentially connect both ends of the wye, but the ties remain rail-less for now.  The wye would need to cross the road to the trailheads too, which seems unlikely.  



    A good deal of coal dust trails the tracks.  At several spots there are good historical signs detailing the railroad and the wye.  One sign also pointed out the still-present wetland to the east that shows up in photos from the railroad era.  

The South Park

The great South Park

We hopped back into our Nissan and crested the vista where the South Park explodes into your senses as this sweeping flatland extends gloriously into the distance surrounded by stalwart mountain peaks.  This view makes it very clear why the railroad enshrined the name “South Park” in both its name and advertising.  What a sight!

The grade coming down the pass. Cut in distance

The C&S right-of-way is down below the highway on the mountainside at left.  Tom Klinger told me to look for a right hand pull off for viewing it farther down the mountainside.  I tried the first one, ran across 285, but couldn’t see anything.  We drove down to the next one, about half way down the mountain.  Then my daughter and I rushed across to the left and, sure enough, one could see, looking upgrade and left, the roadbed snaking its way down from the pass.  A cut, while distant, is easily visible upgrade to the left.  As the grade passed in front of us and down the slope to the floor of the South Park, one can make it out, though it is quite faint.  

Jefferson

Jefferson depot, soon to be an Airbnb

We scurried back to our car, drove downgrade, passing where the roadbed crosses to the right of 285, and entered into that great expanse, finally reaching the old, but still living town of Jefferson where the 1880 DSP&P depot still stands right off the highway.  The adjacent Hungry Moose Caboose restaurant, reopened for the first time in three years and under new ownership, was our place to stop for lunch.  The restaurant sits right on top of what would have been the west leg of the Jefferson wye.  




While we weren’t adventurous enough to order “The Trainwreck” sandwich which we were told by the owner was “huge” (In fact, you can buy a T-shirt that says “I survived the Trainwreck”), we indulged on a truly delectable bacon cheeseburger made from beef from a ranch just five miles away.  

BN caboose in primer west of Jefferson depot

While eating, we got to chat with the owner.  He and his wife own both the restaurant and also the depot.  They live in the former depot presently and are in the process of converting it to be an Airbnb rental.  They hope to have it available next spring 2023.  Recently, the couple replaced all the original station windows to make it better insulated.  The old windows are sitting in the yard.  He explained that all the exterior and interior walls are original and the ticket window still exists as well.  As if this hard work wasn’t enough, he acquired a standard gauge Burlington Northern caboose and put it on a short stretch of track on the old roadbed just west of the station and plans to convert it to a two-person Airbnb rental too.  

We asked him what it’s like to live in such a small town.  He remarked that he loved it, loved the quiet, and loved the closeness to nature.  There are 15 residents in Jefferson right now and the Community Center, across the highway next to the historic Jefferson school building with its old-time bell tower, offers a way to connect with neighbors.  Winters, he remarked, are challenging as it is very cold and very windy.  This reminded me of photos and stories I’ve seen of South Park cars being blown off tracks in the area.  It also explained the reason for those odd, wooden vestibules built outside the doors of the Como depot.  The South Park gets serious wind!

Como

Line to Denver at left.  Eating House, depot, & roundhouse in distance
    After our delicious lunch my daughter and I got back on 285 to head west toward Como.  The roadbed is on the right, but it was hard for me to identify it at times, at least while driving.  It looked as if the power line poles that parallel the highway beginning shortly west of Jefferson might be on the ROW.  At one location I caught sight of what once must have been a short trestle over a gully where the bridge posts still stick up from the ground. 

Repainted C&S 8311, formerly on display at Boreas Pass

    Our official last railroad-related stop was Como.  I was last there in 2018 and while it is dramatically changed since that time and I would have loved to explore more of the railroad developments, we just didn’t have much more leeway in time so it had to be a quick visit.  On this Friday, October late morning no one was around, but we got to see the rolling stock outside the roundhouse and depot including C&S boxcars 8311 and 8323, DSP&P boxcar 608, and various other non-C&S equipment.  Mia and I took a walk down the mainline to the end of the right hand line to Denver and then walked to the end of the line to Boreas Pass.  It was fun to note the coal dust resting in the grass in large piles.  

Standing on the mainline to Boreas Pass (which is behind me)

With our last stop behind us, we jumped back in for the remaining trip.  I had hoped to stop at the crossing of the Gunnison main from the right of 285 to the left just a little west of Como.  This left hand ROW is now route 7 that comes off of the highway, but sadly I didn’t have time to photograph it.  One can see the roadbed glide off and away to the left.  

End of the Line

The rebuilt scale house and Boreas Pass in the distance

One more stop I had originally planned was the crossing of the right-of-way at Garos where a wye was located, but I assumed I would see a sign for Garos.  Needless to say, no sign greeted me and I assume the townsite is long gone.

    After a glorious morning of ghost-train chasing, we made the stunning drive down to Canon City, experiencing more fog as we got close.  There we had a great weekend exploring Worldview at the Abbey for the Preview Weekend and opened our hands, in a sense, to ask Jesus to give us insight if this is good place for our daughter after she graduates this coming May.  Admittedly, I'd be happy for an excuse to visit Colorado (and more C&S sites) more often!

The Abbey in Canon City

One of my favorite parts of visiting the areas where the C&S ran is how alive it makes photographs and maps when one can visualize the spot today.  I am so happy, as I sit writing this on our airplane home, that just a few moments ago I did just that.  I opened up Tom and Denise Klinger’s Platte Canon Memories & Then Some and paged through the photos with that wonderful feeling that says, “I was there!”


Monday, July 20, 2020

50th Anniversary of the last South Park trains with Bob Richardson

I just purchased Bob Richardson's autobiography, Chasing Trains.  Richardson, who co-founded the Colorado Railroad Museum, has a number of C&S tidbits that I didn't know about.  Below is one of them.

The modelers at Boulder, Colorado, who maintained Engine 74 in the city park there, loaned us the so-called "bear-trap" cinder catcher they had built from Colorado & Southern patterns for that 2-8-0.  
Photo Source: Heritage Rail Alliance



So, in April of 1987, on the occasion of the final-runs anniversary on the South Park line, we operated No. 346 with our single ex-C&S stock car and the little four-wheel C&S way-car (caboose).  
Author's photo: 1991

It made an unusual and authentic 50th anniversary train, for in 1937, Engine 346 had been on loan to the C&S, and she handled the last livestock train on the South Park--into Jefferson.  The engine has a steel cab instead of the original wooden one, a result of a wreck on the C&S at Kenosha Pass in 1936.  

After the last stock train in 1937, there was a mix-up, and the crew put No. 346 into the Como roundhouse and dumped the fire.  Then, the crew got an automobile ride back to Denver.  The men were supposed to have run the 2-8-0 back to Denver, so the engine could be loaded onto a flatcar and sent back to the D&RGW.  As a result, a crew had to be taken back to Como, where No. 346 was fired up, and the men ran the engine light to Denver.

Saturday, September 7, 2019

The Jefferson Depot-under new ownership 2019

The Jefferson Depot: "Serving travelers since 1880" reads the headline on the website .
www.thejeffersondepot.com

The depot was abandoned in 1937/8 along with the South Park Line, but has had a few lives in the intervening years including the most recent as the Hungry Moose Caboose restaurant.  It's newest owner bought the former C&S depot in the heart of the South Park in 2019.

Their website reads: "In 2019, Frank and Jackie Marinaro purchased the Depot with the dream of creating a place where hikers and anglers, photographers and commuters, passers-thru and lifelong residents can gather, eat, drink and relax in the midst of towering mountain vistas, sparkling rivers, and star-filled Colorado night skies."

They honor the heritage of the depot throughout their website including a map of the entire C&S narrow gauge system, several historical photos of the depot during operations, and images of C&S trains hanging on the walls of the building.

In their "About" section it states, "Formerly the railroad depot for the Denver South Park and Pacific
Railway, The Jefferson Depot has stood at the gateway to the South Park Valley for nearly 150 years welcoming travelers to the breadth and beauty of western Colorado. Located at the base of Kenosha Pass on US 285, the distinct blue train depot building offers respite for travelers passing to and from Denver and towns located in Colorado's central mountains."

While giving the entire operation the name The Jefferson Depot, they still retain the name Hungry Moose Caboose for the take-out grill structure that is made to resemble a simplistic caboose.  Inside the station is the Moose Saloon and also a new area for dining in.  Tables are found in the passenger room, freight room, and agent's office.   

If you would like to see the inside of the depot you can see a virtual tour here from a site that previously posted the property for sale and has yet to be taken down.

While all of us would love to see a train again pull up to the Jefferson depot again (maybe Klondike Kate will get there someday from Como!), it's great to see this historical station still having life and retaining more than a few nods to its past.  Many blessings to Frank and Jackie Marinaro on their new venture!

Friday, June 28, 2019

C&Sng 1952 in the Narrow Gauge News

This is part 3 of the C&S details found in Bob Richardson's Narrow Gauge News.  Part 1: 1949-1950 is here.  Part 2: 1951 is here. Below are C&S references in his newsletter from the year 1952.  I have underlined some points of particular interest.
*Photos here are just my additions, not from the newsletter.  

Central City 1964-Author's Collection

April

Old C&S 71 is no longer missing its bell…sheriff recovered it from teenagers who sold it for scrap

May

May Day saw workmen tearing down what was left of Jefferson tank on the abandoned C&S in South Park

The famous Chalk Cliffs of “South Park Route” fame rate a full page in color in “Colorado Wonderland’s” Summer issue

July

As an example, more people come to Colorado or one part of it to see Alpine Tunnel than come to see one much-advertised “monument.”

East Portal 1950s-John Hallinan Collection
Many summer visitors like to explore the routes of the abandoned Colorado narrow gauge routes.  Some have become roads, others require considerable hiking.  Top attraction is Alpine Tunnel, abandoned in 1910 by the Colorado & Southern.  A county highway turning off at Nathrop uses the grade most of the way to within about three miles of the debris-blocked east portal.  The west portal and abandoned buildings are reached either by going over the top of the mountain or by hiking from Quartz Creek camp ground some miles beyond Pitkin.  U. S. No. 285 is either on or alongside of much of the old South Park line from Bailey over Kenosha Pass, past abandoned Como roundhouse, depot, etc. and on thru South Park toward Buena Vista and Alpine Tunnel.

Five locomotives, two cabooses, a combine, coach and freight car are persevered and on display at Alamosa (No. 169 4-6-0 and our No. 346 No. 346 2-8-0), Durango (No. 315 2-8-0), Colorado Springs (No. 168 4-6-0), Idaho Springs (C&S 60 2-8-0), Central City (C&S No. 71 2-8-0, gondola and combine of C&S), Silver Plume (C&S 4-wheel caboose).  And plans are being carried out to preserve more of the rolling stock.

August 

Alpine Tunnel boarding house-photo inverted
Our staff photographer reports after a trip to Alpine Tunnel that snow still hides the west entrance and that the second floor has collapsed inside the old boarding house

September

On Aug. 25 the D&RGW filed application with the ICC to abandoned the narrow gauge lines west of Poncha Jct. to Gunnison and the branches from that place to Sapinero, Castleton and Crested Butte, 138 miles in all….Gunnison County plans to oppose the abandonment, which will remove 25% of the county’s total assessed tax valuation.

Coal traffic of the Baldwin Branch which Gunnison made no effort to keep when the Valley Line was up for abandonment, would help a lot up that way now.

October

THAT WRECK OF 346 AT KENOSHA PASS

The Mount Blanca & Western’s engine was among three loaned by the D&RGW to the
Colorado & Southern in 1936 and returned the following spring when that line abandoned its road to Leadville.  On July 25, 1936, #346 had helped a Denver-bound frt. To the summit of Kenosha Pass and then started down light.  Almost exactly a mile form [sic] the summit of the pass, the engine climbed the rails, cut the ties for perhaps 150 feet, then overturned on a sharp curve, suffering considerable damage.  Engineer Eugene McGowan could not jump as he got entangled in some cab piping, and he received a fatal scalding from a broken pipe.  The fireman had been thrown out of the gangway before the engine overturned.  The accident occurred about 300 feet west of Mile Post 75.  It was blamed upon too much speed and the fact that two of the engine’s four drives had no flanges.

The engine was returned to Denver, sent to the Burlington shops on a flat car, repaired and returned to service.  The present steel cab dates from this time.  Tires with flanges were installed on the two “blind” drivers by the D&RGW after the engine was returned to them.

Anyone having photos of the wreck or of this engine in use on the C&S, or additional data, are urged to contact us.

November

C&S stock car at CRRM-Chris Lane Collection
In 1938 and 1939 Victor Miller added 125 ex-C&S cars [to the RGS], and most disposed of by him when he lost that post.

In 1949 a 2-8-0, ex-Colorado & Southern No. 74 was acquired from a dealer.

One Goose is working on removal of rail around Dolores; while another is working about midway to Rico on a section of track isolated by washouts. Two cut down ex-C&S stock cars were hauled by truck to Millwood to replace the worn out flats used by that train.

Vandals have been at engine 74 at Boulder . . . engines worth so much in work, money and trouble are surely worth a few dollars a month of electricity to protect them with a bath of light?

Tuesday, July 5, 2016

Tracks on Kenosha 2013

Found this random bit of video of the relaid track on Kenosha Pass.




Sunday, August 2, 2015

Modeling the Jefferson Depot

I found this article in the July/August 1987 Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette.  Obviously, it appeals to modelers, but it also has some historical info on the depot for us non-modelers.  It's fun to see the author photographing the station outside in Plainview, Colorado.







Wednesday, June 17, 2015

Jefferson Depot in 2015: The Answer

In the DSP&P Forum, Daniel Sheffer gave the answer I was looking for in this previous post about the present ownership of the Jefferson Depot as of 2015.

"The Jefferson Depot is now part of the Hungry Moose Caboose restaurant.  It serves as the indoor eating area and I believe that they now have a bar in the freight section.  They have fixed up the inside and there are photos throughout showing scenes of the DSP&P/C&S.  The only issue I have with what they have done is the set of double doors that have been installed on the freight section that looks pretty ungainly.  Other than that it looks pretty good and you can now go inside whenever they are open."






Sunday, May 31, 2015

Jefferson Depot in 2015

The Jefferson depot has long stood firmly through the storms of the South Park and time for over 100
years.  When my wife and I visited it in 2004, it housed an ice cream shop.

I recently came across this article in The Flume from 2011.

"Jefferson Depot Sold: Changed hands three times in less than four months."

The Jefferson Depot, the distinctive blue building that has housed Maverick Realty on the west side of U.S. 285 in Jefferson, has changed hands three times in less than four months, with the last sale occurring just before Thanksgiving to John Lee of Omaha, Neb.
Lee told The Flume in a Dec. 7 interview that he will continue the restoration of the building, and he will be back in Jefferson in mid-May and open the Hungry Moose Caboose and the ice cream shop then.
Does anyone know what the present status is of this depot?  According to Southparkheritage.org The Hungry Moose Caboose is described this way:

"Coming down Kenosha Pass through ranching country, this bright red caboose will grab your attention as you enter Jefferson, Colorado. Travelers have been raving about their favorite lunches- Depot Dog, Train Wreck burger, pulled pork sandwiches, and milk shakes- for years. The Caboose is open seasonally so be sure to call ahead if you are planning a trip in the winter months."

This article shows a photo of the caboose-shaped building as it resides next to the Jefferson Depot.  

Finally, I found the depot listed on a Real Estate site as "for sale."  It is hard to tell whether it is a current or old listing.

The listing reads:

Situated in its original site, this beautiful narrow-gauge historic railrod depot was built in 1879. This
property has multiple uses and tons of potential. Zoned multi-use (residential/commercial) Original wood floors and wooden sliding baggage doors. Currently used as a lucrative real estate office and also an ice cream parlour. Loads of character. Very busy highway frontage which catches all the traffic from Denver only an hour away. Perfect location for real estate office, restaurant, retail: many possibilities. Also on the property is a restaurant which does phenomenal business in the summer. It is a "coney-island" style take-away setup with grill, deep fryer, counterspace, shelves, fridge, electrical outlets, lights, fan, sheds. Adjoining property is a home on 1.5 acres which would also be available for sale (owner will make a good deal if both properties are purchased together)...walk to work in your bathrobe!!! Get away from the rat race!!!

So, I'm not sure how current any of this info is.  Does anyone out there know the current status of the Jefferson Depot?

Here are a few other photos I found online: