Showing posts with label C&S refrigerator car 1113. Show all posts
Showing posts with label C&S refrigerator car 1113. Show all posts

Saturday, January 24, 2026

Two Crossings: Walt Disney and the C&Sng, part 2

The second connection between Walt Disney and the C&S narrow gauge is less direct. Disneyland’s dramatic success after its opening in 1955 spawned numerous copycat parks across the country. One such park was Magic Mountain constructed in Golden, Colorado. It too was designed as a mock-up town with a narrow gauge railroad ride. The owners sought out equipment from Bob Richardson whose Narrow Gauge Museum had recently relocated from Alamosa to Golden and been rechristened the Colorado Railroad Museum. Richardson, and his new partner Cornelius Hauck, were in need of funds to construct their new property and so decided to sell several pieces of narrow gauge equipment to the park in 1959, including C&S refrigerator car 1116 and boxcar 8308, along with a Rio Grande gondola, Rio Grande Southern caboose, and RGS engine 42. Both C&S cars had gone to the RGS in 1938. Bob had acquired them for his museum upon the abandonment of that railroad.

The Magic Mountain train, 1959 Otto Perry photo, Denver Public Library Special Collections OP-12571

The Magic Mountain story is a sad one. First the park tore the two C&S cars down to the frames and constructed open-air rider tops on them. Next, the park declared bankruptcy less than a year after its opening. The cars were then moved around with the rest of the train for display at various spots in Colorado and finally returned to the park, now reopened as a largely shopping-focused attraction called Heritage Square, and used for stationary food-service (first, one could eat inside the cars, and later they were converted to walk-up food stands). 

1116 or 8303 as a foodstand being moved to the Loop
Stephen Peck photo

In the early 1990s, the Ashbys of the Georgetown Loop, a reconstructed C&S engineering marvel, purchased both cars in order to return them to rail service on the tourist line. Loop crews completed 1116’s restoration, but not 8308’s. Following a change of operator on the line in 2004 the two spent time at the Colorado Railroad Museum (returning to CRM after nearly a half century of absence), but 1116 later returned to the Loop and is today the only piece of Colorado & Southern narrow gauge equipment in regular revenue service.

C&S refrigerator car 1116 on the Georgetown Loop today

C&S 8308 remains at CRM as a flatcar with the body of C&S boxcar 8310 sitting on top of it.

8308 at CRM today with the body of 8310 on top

The worth of this second Disney-C&S connection is a bit debatable. C&S 1116 and 8308 were both already saved by Richardson and their time at Magic Mountain destroyed most of the cars’ bodies. Had they stayed at CRM they would have remained historically sound. It is what is, but we at least have the pleasure today of being able to ride on one C&S car at the Loop. 

On the other hand, it is fun to note that Walt Disney can tip his hat, at least partially (ok, very very partially), to the C&S narrow gauge-as presented at the Chicago RR Fair-for inspiration for his wildly successful railroad-connected park design. Dreams have to start somewhere, and engine 9 and cars 13, 76, and 911 can say they had a small hand in inspiring a Magic Kingdom.

C&S No. 9 on display today in Breckenridge


Saturday, March 29, 2025

The tales of C&S boxcars 8308 and 8310

 There's an odd, hard-to-see narrow gauge car at the Colorado Railroad Museum in Golden. Surprisingly, it is a combination of two former Colorado and Southern Ry. boxcars, one of which also served on the Rio Grande Southern. While one car was rescued from demolition while being a shed, the other was rescued, sold, became a tourist car, served as a food stand, and finally came back to her rescuer. C&S boxcars 8308/8261 and 8310 now rest together at Golden's museum. This video tells their meandering histories.

Wednesday, May 15, 2024

1979 C&S News (2) - Como Field Trip, Loop gets a Shay

A wealth of railfan history exists in the archives of the Rocky Mountain Rail Report, the newsletter of the Rocky Mountain Railroad Club started in 1939.  Here is some more miscellaneous South Park Line/C&S-related news from the 1979 editions.   

1979

September

(The club goes on a "Como Field Trip" over Boreas Pass with Ed Haley who grew up riding the line)

Fall flowers in Como, 2022

THE BOREAS PASS - COMO FIELD TRIP on August 18, provided an opportunity to explore a portion of the old DSP&P right-of-way, learn a bit of Colorado rail history, and take in some great scenery all at the same time. 


The group started on the grade in Breckenridge as planned, making occasional stops enroute over the pass at various points of interest. Ed Haley's commentary at each stop helped us visualize what the rail and mining operations were like on the pass years ago. 

Lunch at Baker's Tank was quite pleasant, and the summit of Boreas Pass was another highlight. Although it was the middle of August, Mother Nature was already trying her hand at snowmaking, fresh traces of which could be seen on some mountaintops. 

Ominous looking clouds in the distance were present throughout the day, but they held off until arrival in Como. Then it was like standing under the spout of a giant water tank. The deluge prevented planned tours of the Como yards while half the group ate dinner in the Como Eating House, unfortunately, but shelter was available in the old schoolhouse. 

The Como Hotel and Eating House Oct. 2022
When everyone completed supper, Ed Haley gave a memorable program on riding the Denver-Breckenridge passenger train. It was a good feeling to see the Como Hotel and Eating House back in business after all these years. Although only in business for a short time, and not really set up for a "group attack" like the one the club dropped on the new proprietors after an already busy day, Keith Hodges and his wife left the same good impression with us that they have been with individual diners. 

If your travels take you through Como at either breakfast, lunch or suppertime, consider stopping in and trying out the "Como Depot Restaurant. " Their prime rib seems to be developing a  reputation all by itself.

(The Sundown and Southern's depot burns to the ground)

Remains of the DSP&P coach No. 3
THE OLD FT. LUPTON DEPOT that had been moved to a planned narrow gauge rail operation east of that town several years ago, tragically burned to the ground this summer, when a weed fire got too close to the structure. (Ed. This was at Don Drawer's planned-tourist railroad destination named The Sundown & Southern. A few South Park pieces made it to the property including refrigerator car 1113 and a coach body-DSP&P coach No. 3 "The Geneva." While moving a Union Pacific depot via trailer to the property, it got stuck in sand and remained on the spot for six months. Later, after the depot finally arrived, Drawer was burning weeds around the building when it caught fire, completely destroying the structure. With no fire hydrants at the remote location, nothing could be done)

Sundown & Southern

October

(Shay No. 8 begins service at the Georgetown Loop)

EX-WEST SIDE SHAY NO. 8 moved to Silver Plume from Gales Creek, Oregon, last fall, passed required inspections, and began operating on the Georgetown loop in September. After several days of test runs, it was assigned to the passenger train, and has performed quite well. Last day of operations on the loop for this year will be on September 30. 

(Ed. The December 1978 Rocky Mountain Rail Report stated: "COLORADO AND THE GEORGETOWN, BRECKENRIDGE & LEADVILLE RAILWAY gained another steam locomotive recently, with the arrival of ex-West Side Lumber Company's 3-foot gauge Shay Locomotive No. 8 at Silver Plume on October 12. The locomotive was trucked all the way from Banks, Oregon, and presented some challenging problems during the move, Parts had to be removed to get it down to a truck-able load, and it took several weeks to make the journey (and a truck with 11 axles and 66 tires!!). It is hoped to have it operational on the Georgetown Loop by the middle of next summer.") 

Shay 8 on display in 2004 - Nathan D. Hale photo

Tuesday, April 2, 2024

C&S 1113 photos (1959)

While researching the history of C&S refrigerator car 1113/RGS 2101, I came upon a number of photos taken by Ralph Hawkins' father John C. Hawkins and Ralph's mother Lucille Hawkins. Ralph graciously shared his photos with me. Visit HawkinsRails.net for more of his and his father's work.

The photos below were taken June 1959 at Ridgway, Colorado.  You will also see a Rio Grande Southern coach and RGS caboose 0400. The caboose was used in the 1969 movie True Grit and later acquired by Jerry Albers. He owned it from 1973 to roughly 1990. The story of his acquisition and restoration of the caboose can be found here.


John C. Hawkins above




C&S 1113 in 2023 and 1959





















Saturday, March 23, 2024

C&S Refrigerator Car 1113 History: C&Sng at the CRRM

Back in September of 2023 my family had the chance to visit the Colorado Railroad Museum. Since I hadn't been to the museum since my teens (in the 1990s), this was my first visit with the only known C&S narrow gauge refrigerator car in existence (It was acquired by CRRM in 2002). One side and end is painted for the C&S where the car began its life while the other side and end is painted for the Rio Grande Southern where it spent the second part of its revenue life.

The video I made below tells the main pieces of the car's history.

(There is one error in my video. Don Drawer did not buy 1113. The D&RGW gave it to him as they wanted it "out of the way.")

For a more full story of the CRRM C&Sng equipment, see my series The Railroad Riches of Golden.

You can find 1113's specific story here.










Friday, June 24, 2022

1974 C&S News (1) - Sundown and Southern is born, C&S 60's bell is stolen, Shay No. 4 comes to Central City

A wealth of railfan history exists in the archives of the Rocky Mountain Rail Report, the newsletter of the Rocky Mountain Railroad Club started in 1939.  Here is more miscellaneous South Park Line/C&S-related news from the 1974 editions.  

1974

Part 1

January

(The ill-fated Sundown and Southern is born)

A NEW NARROW GAUGE RAILROAD ATTRACTION is under development near the town of Fort Lupton. Construction adjacent to the Flying-D-Ranch, a privately owned airport open to the public, will hopefully be completed in time for operation next summer. The mile railroad will be used to bring passengers from the main highway to a reconstructed western town. 

An interesting array of buildings, equipment and rolling stock is being assembled for the project, including the old Fort Lupton depot, the Hudson Colorado jail, several railroad water tanks, one of which is from near Durango, and the turntable from Alamosa.  Rolling stock includes numerous pieces of D&RG freight cars, a business car, caboose and an outside frame IRCA 2-8-0 from Central America- and a baggage car and a combine from the Tweetsie Railroad.  Maintenance will be done in a two track car shop now being built. 

(Ed. Some more info about the Sundown and Southern, the C&S car it once had, and the project's demise can be found in this post)


(C&S 60's bell is stolen)

C&S 60 in 1990 (In '74 the engine was in a different spot)

VANISHED ~ Old C&S Engine No. 60 on display in Idaho Springs is no longer adorned by its bell. It mysteriously disappeared one night this fall.  As it is highly unlikely a strong mountain wind blew it away, it can be safely presumed that it was stolen. Anyone who may have information on this disgusting matter should contact the Depot Gift Shop in Idaho Springs or the proper Authorities. 


April

(Denver Union Station to close)

THE BURLINGTON NORTHERN'S real estate people apparently have cooking on their stove a recipe for closing down Denver Union Station, possible by next year. Not much has been said about it, and information is sketchy, but it appears to be part of their plan for removing rail facilities for the Platt River vicinity and transforming the entire area into a vast office, apartment and hotel complex. They would like to see the 15th and 16th street viaducts removed among other things, and nearby streets that terminate at Wynkoop extended north toward the river. The Denver Union Terminal Railway Company, which is owned by six railroads which operated trains into the city, operates the station and has not been contacted by the BN regarding the matter. All the railroads would have to agree on the closing. The last thing Denver needs is a Cincinnati “Tastee-Freez" style structure out in the sticks somewhere. 

May

(Dave Digerness, author of The Mineral Belt book series, presentation)



PROGRAM FOR THE MAY MEETING OF THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN RAILROAD CLUB.

Dave Digerness, who has been a member of the club since 1959, will present his slide show entitled ’’Over the Sierra Madres of Mexico to the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans".  In the fall of 1971, Dave, who is an excellent freelance photographer, travelled through Old Mexico by rail and toured her cities by many modes of travel including, bus, cab, horse drawn carriage, trolley bus, trolley car, subway and on foot.  Dave is a native of Georgetown, Colorado, being the fifth generation of the family from the famous old silver mining town high in the mountains west of Denver. 

In fact, his interest in railroads stemmed from watching the narrow gauge Colorado & Southern trains in Clear Creek Canyon and has grown until today his interest in railroads has become national. 

Dave’s great grandfather was the founder and publisher of the well-known Georgetown Courier and he wrote and recorded not only the early annals of Georgetown and Clear Creek County but of the other mining counties as well, resulting in valuable historic records. Dave has been employed for almost 
20 years by the United States Geological Survey and his photographic work is renowned not only nationally but around the world, having appeared on the cover of Empire Magazine, Christmas cards and calendars. 

(Shay No. 4 arrives in Central City)

COLORADO’S STEAM LOCOMOTIVE POPULATION increased by one with arrival at Central City of
No. 4 arrives. Jerry Albers photo

Camino, Cable & Northern No. 4 (ex-West Side Lumber Co,) on Saturday, April 27. Three days were required to move the three foot gauge Shay and its tender aboard two trucks from Camino, California.  Crossing of the Continental Divide was done via Berthoud Pass.  Plans are to put the old logging engine in operating condition for use on the Colorado Central Narrow Gauge at Central City.  (Ed. in 1977 she became the sole power at the CCNG).

Monday, December 27, 2021

The Railroad Riches of Golden, part 7


THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1973
GOLDEN, COLORADO
THE COLORADO RAILROAD MUSEUM

Today, seventy one years after she was shipped away from her home state, Bob witnesses DSP&P 191 arrive in Golden after her journey via standard gauge gondola and then motor truck. He is relieved the 2-8-0 made it.  Along the way from Wisconsin, the engine was briefly ‘lost’ when an ice storm caused a break in communication lines with the Santa Fe.  Thankfully, she was ‘found’ and made the rest of the journey without incident.

Despite the cool February Rocky Mountain air, it is still warmer than, as Bob will later write, the “usual zeroish winter weather” of northern Wisconsin where she was shipped from. This may give the Colorado Railroad Museum crew hope that the 191’s wheels can finally be convinced to move.

The 93-year old locomotive rests on a lowboy trailer in the museum yard, waiting for the adjacent crane, it’s tall spindly arm pointed high with cables descending around the engine, to finally reunite 191 with rails on native soil.  With only a stubby running board where a cow catcher pilot once proudly strutted forward, an elongated smokebox added from one of the logging roads where her original shorter one should be, and her original balloon smoke stack long ago replaced with a thin straight one, she lacks some of the distinctive features that would tag her as her former 1880s self, though in reality her main structure has actually changed very little since she left the Baldwin Locomotive Works.

Regardless of her look, she is a gem, the oldest native Coloradan locomotive in the state, the museum’s only South Park engine, and the most authentic DSP&P loco in existence.  It has cost more than $8000 to get No.191, along with her stiff wheels, to this spot, but finally, the cables running up to the crane’s arm, cables that seem so small compared to 191’s 56,000 pound girth, lift her in the air and then ever so gently set her down on Colorado rails.
Denver, South Park & Pacific No. 191 is home.  

But like a stubborn child, her wheels still will not move. 

The Colorado Railroad Museum’s small Plymouth diesel was called on to assist 191’s mobility issues.  The little diesel tugged and pushed, but the 2-8-0’s wheels, doused with penetrating oil, refused to rotate.  The process was continued for several weeks by a surely discouraged crew until the amount of oil used reached into the gallons.  Suddenly, one day, the Plymouth “Peewee” locomotive tugged once more and DSP&P 191’s wheels moved for the first time in four decades.

Despite the thousands of dollars spent to get her to Golden, a cost that was gratefully later diminished by the sale of the other Mexican engine and a few cars to the Huckleberry tourist railroad in Michigan, the engine that struck out its pilot north of Gunnison towards the Pacific, towards a grade that was never completed, and the same engine that was later shipped so far east had finally come to rest in the state that nearly a century ago had called for her birth.

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Post-Bob Richardson: One more acquisition and a prodigal returns


It was a triumph and a joy to bring No. 191 back home again in 1973, and eighteen years later Bob made the decision to also go home.  In 1991, after 33 years at the helm of the Colorado Railroad Museum, it was time for Bob to rest on his laurels and retire.  Like 191 did at the birth of the twentieth century, Bob moved east.  While he loved his Colorado narrow gauge relics, even they could not compare to being near family, and so Bob packed up his belongings and settled in Pennsylvania.  

While this tale will now take two short branch lines away from Bob Richardson’s journey, both occurred before his passing.  Two Colorado & Southern narrow gauge rolling stock stories from the post-Richardson era at CRRM bear telling.  The first relates to a car that was saved and then nearly lost by a contemporary of Richardson’s.  The second concerns a twist of fate regarding one of the C&S freight cars Bob himself saved, but later sold after the move to Golden.

The only fully intact C&S refrigerator car  


While Bob Richardson remained a bachelor his whole life, he knew how to pass on a legacy as good parents do with their children.  When he left his position and the state in 1991, the Colorado Railroad Museum that he left behind continued to flourish and save history, including more pieces of the Colorado & Southern narrow gauge.  

One very important piece of C&S rolling stock that came to Golden after Bob’s tenure arrived through a sad demise.  Unlike Bob Richardson and Cornelius Hauck, who built their museum with a vision to outlast themselves, another Coloradan who also amassed large quantities of saved narrow gauge equipment seemed to have lacked such foresight.

  Don Drawer operated a small airport in the Colorado prairie near Fort Lupton, north of Denver, but his dreams revolved more so around trains than airplanes.  In the early 1970’s he started snatching up whatever narrow gauge equipment he could find, moving it to his large property with plans to construct and operate a narrow gauge steam railroad and a fictional town where visitors could come to learn all aspects of train operation.  He named his railroad-to-be the Sundown & Southern.

By 1972, when Bob and Cornelius were just learning of their chance to acquire No. 191, Don had already amassed over 200 pieces of rolling stock, including C&S refrigerator car 1113, last used on the Rio Grande Southern.  Unlike her sister survivor C&S refrigerator 1116, acquired by Bob back in 1954 and later sold to the failed Magic Mountain resort, 1113 was not cut up and turned into an amusement park piece.  Instead, Drawer had her moved to Fort Lupton just as she was found in Ridgway, Colorado after being on display there for roughly two decades since the demise of the Rio Grande Southern, still fully intact as she was designed: an old, but authentic, narrow gauge refrigerator car.
The Bogies and the Loop

Drawer’s lack of foresight will later be evidenced, but he certainly made up for this in tenacity.  For just one example, his growing collection, that included C&S 1113, was in need of an engine and he set out to get one.  In an epic move, Don traveled to Central America in order to personally escort a steam locomotive,* business car, and caboose from the country of Guatemala to his Sundown & Southern.  On his way north, tragedy struck when the business car was ransacked by vandals and thieves while the train sat on the track overnight.  Numerous fixtures and historical features were stolen.  Don refused to let this setback stop him and he continued north with plans to restore the engine, committed to his dream because, as the Fort Collins Coloradan newspaper that reported the incident put it that year, “as a railroad nut, he loves it.”

Sadly, the fire in the boiler of Don Drawer’s determination never caught flame.  According to his son Brian, “red tape and county politics” kept his father’s dream from ever becoming reality.  Hundreds of pieces of narrow gauge equipment, in various stages of disrepair, littered his property when he died in the early 2000s, leaving pieces like C&S refrigerator car No. 1113 with an uncertain future.  

The Bogies and the Loop
While the passing of Don Drawer’s dreams and the Sundown & Southern was tragic, he saved lots of equipment that might otherwise have been lost, and when the derelict rolling stock was auctioned off in 2002, it allowed many pieces to get into more steady hands, including refrigerator car No. 1113 which was purchased by CRRM for $500.  Moved to the Museum, the only fully intact surviving C&S refrigerator car was restored in gleaming yellow paint and adorned with the lettering of the line she spent most of her life serving. 



* International Railways of Central America No. 111, later used on the Georgetown Loop