Sunday, August 26, 2018

The Other, Other Palisade

When most of us think of a palisade, we think of THE palisades-the rock retaining walls built on the upper portion of the grade leading to the west portal of Alpine Tunnel.  Some of us also might think of a very similar palisade at Ohio Pass.  This one was part of an uncompleted grade of the DSP&P.  However, there is another one without the fame of the others.

Tom and Denise Klinger point out in South Park's Gunnison Division Memories & Then Some that "About 1.3 miles upgrade from the Midway tank [on the route to the Alpine Tunnel], there is a small palisade."  In the 1880's photo below you can see a small consist posing for a portrait.  On our ride up the grade this past July, I was doubtful of being able to locate this spot, especially since the Klingers state that the "location was most difficult to locate and duplicate in 2011.  Trees have grown around the palisade and the earthen embankment has all but disappeared."  However, I wondered if there had been some clearing of trees as the spot in 2018 was now not too difficult to find.  I was able to climb down the downgrade embankment with a minor amount of sliding and "Be careful's" from my wife.

In retrospect, I wished I had planned the shot and tried to mimic the same level of the camera to get a before and after shot, but I'm too far down the embankment.

If one looks closely, I think the stones can be matched up between the two photos.  It appears that the top corner stone (close to the photographer) is now missing.  The two stones downgrade from this one are identifiable as well as the thinner stones beneath them.  I have a hard time identifying others, especially due to the differing angles.

Ed and Nancy Bathke Collection



Sunday, August 19, 2018

Split Rock 1880s-2018

We returned not too long ago from our family trip to Colorado.  I amassed great quantities of photos of videos of C&S sites and will share them as I have the chance to process them.  Here is the first one I had the chance to work on: a before and after of Split Rock near the palisades. 


Here my daughter and I attempted to recreate in 2018 a photo from what I think would be the late 1800s.  The original photographer must have been up just a little higher than I was.  I can line up the mountains and the rock cliffs perfectly, but then "split rock" is a bit off.  I have fades where I line up the mountains and some others where I line up the split rock. Historical photo from the James Ozment collection.

Thursday, August 9, 2018

How Come, Why, and How Mac Poor Wrote 'DSP&P'

Some of you may have read my summary of the following article in the latest Bogies and the Loop, but for those of you who would like the full details, The Denver Westerners graciously gave me permission to scan and share this 1965 edition of their Roundup publication with an essay by Mac Poor, author of the foundational Denver, South Park & Pacific, chronicling his journey in writing his book.  (the Westerners did request that it not be published in print anywhere without their permission)

One little curiosity found towards the end of the article is Mac's resistance to providing a reprint or second edition.  As much as I respect Poor, I'm sure glad that his view was overruled in 1976!  Otherwise many of us would never own a copy of his definitive book.

By the way, when you click on any of the pages below it will enlarge in your screen.  Hopefully, that will make the text easier to read.









Monday, July 16, 2018

A Replica of the McGees Depot?

In preparation for my family’s trip to Colorado I was reading through sections of Robert K. Bain’s meticulous guide called Tracing the Denver South Park & Pacific. My curiosity was piqued when reading about McGees where Bain notes that a replica depot was built there and “is said to be on the site of the original depot. It is now a railroad-oriented Bed & Breakfast.”


Curious to know more I looked it up and discovered the Trout City Berth and Breakfast. I assumed that this was just another kitschy type spot (and some of it is), but upon reading further it became clear that the owners were much more exacting than I guessed.

After acquiring the site of the former McGees depot in 1987, Irene and Juel Kjeldsen, according to Colorado Central Magazine article, accessed plans and blueprints from the Colorado Railroad Museum in order to create several accurate DSP&P replicas including of course the depot, but also a handcart, a Pullman sleeping car, a caboose, and a model of a Mason-Bogie. The sleeping car and caboose were “mounted on trucks (the wheel assemblies) brought back from a narrow-gauge logging line in Oregon and set in place where the original DSP&P rails ran through the property.”

In addition to replicas, “the main room of the depot is filled with railroad memorabilia found on the property as well as maps, photos, an authentic telegraph set, framed correspondence between McFarland and his supervisor, and a poignant entry in his personal journal concerning the death of his wife.”

Of course, the depot's express purpose right now is accommodations, and the article below gives more detail regarding what is provided. As of this writing I wasn’t able to find a website (though it does appear on this site with lists of caboose lodging through the US) and considering that my main source of information was from a 1998 article, I can only guess that it is still in operation. The phone number listed in the article is 710-395-8433.

Sources:

Tracing the Denver South Park & Pacific: A detailed, mile-by-mile guide for tracing the roadbed of this legendary narrow gauge railroad by Robert K. Bain. 1994.

“Berth and Breakfast at restored railroad station” by Clint Driscoll. Colorado Central Magazine, 1 August 1998.

All the photos, except the first one are from this link on a real estate site.











Tuesday, July 10, 2018

Rolling Rock Curve Then and Now

I have always loved the before and after photos from Then and Now Colorado.  This is the first video I've seen with the man behind the photos doing a short explanation of a location, in this case Rolling Rock Curve, along with lining up several photos of the site in DSP&P days.

Monday, July 9, 2018

Help needed for Como!

Below is a Facebook post
"As many of you know, The Operations in Como were cut short due to fire concerns last week,

"However the brief operations on Saturday revealed we do not have nearly enough capacity to accommodate the turnout of supporters wanting to ride the new line. With Boreas Pass Railroad day rapidly approaching we need to address the capacity issue . Luckily we were able to lease 2 Rider boxcars from the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic railroad. The cars are currently in storage at the Georgetown Loop Railroad but we need to move them to Como ASAP and prep them for operation by Boreas Pass Railroad Days on August 18th. Unfortunately our loss of an operating day and the costs of moving gondola #4319 to Como have left us short of funds to move these two boxcars to the Como yard. The estimated cost to move them is $3000.00 I know money is tight and while Como may not be as "Exciting" as a T-12 or or some other equally worthwhile projects we could really use your financial support . I hope you will consider a donation to help with the moving expenses.This is the link to our fundraiser.

"Here are the cars that, With your help, will soon be calling Como home."

Saturday, June 30, 2018

A Visit to Alpine Tunnel Exactly 60 Years Ago Yesterday

In June of 1958, 43 years after the abandonment of the route through Alpine Tunnel, and 25 years after the rails were pulled, Lew Schneider, a member of the US Army, made two trips to the remains at Altman Pass.  Stationed at Fort Carson near Colorado Springs, Schneider and a friend made their first trek early in June.  Starting up the eastern approach through Hancock, they ran into the same problem that often kept the C&S from getting their trains operating until mid-summer: snow.  Lew and his companion were unable to cross over the pass due to the white menace-even on June 8th!

Returning much later on June 29th, the two made a successful attempt to reach the east portal, climb the pass, and explore the complex at the west portal.

At East Portal they found the scattered remains of the snow sheds with a few beams still jutting up towards the sky.  One (or two?) of the snowshed doors is clearly visible flat on the ground.  The railroad ties are also still embedded in the right-of-way leading into the tunnel.  Having climbed up the pass they took a shot of the east portal and its approach from the top, revealing at least one or more telegraph poles still standing (one of which, I believe, is still standing today not far from Atlantic siding).
Lew Schneider
Lew Schneider

A short time later, after walking over Altman Pass, Schneider took a high up shot of the west portal station complex.  One can make out the tracks, still with rails intact, coming from the tunnel and towards the station remains.  The base of the second water tower (1906) can be seen by the side of the roadbed across from the second turntable.
Lew Schneider

After they made their way down to track level, Schneider snapped a shot of the still intact rails leading to the missing turntable.  Wooden guard rails still flanked the right side of the walkway for the worker whose job it was to turn the locos.  The guard railings on the left apparently had given way to time.  Built on top of the original debris dump from the boring of the tunnel in the early 1880s, the tracks still hold strong to their ties, though they seem to bend at sharp angles now instead of soft curves.
Lew Schneider

Walking down past the stone boarding house, the telegraph office, and the old boarding house, Schneider took a shot of the telegraph office and boarding house through the remains of the formerly arched stone entrance of the old engine house.  The wood boarding house is near complete ruin, though its side walls still remain in an upright, though disturbingly bent, angle.  The telegraph office still stands proud with right angles, though its roof, with numerous cavities, has long ago given up the fight to keep out the elements.
Lew Schneider

Finally, Schneider walked a little ways down the mainline and took a photo of the area at the place where a switch stand still stood for the parallel passing track.  The rotten ties in the foreground lead the way through a gentle curve past the still standing coal bin and on past the station, also revealing another telegraph pole defying nature.  It is nice to see just how much of the south facing engine house wall and corners were still standing at this point.  Photos from more recent times demonstrate how much of this was lost in the ensuing 50 years.
Lew Schneider

One oddity about this scene is the absence of rails at this point.  Many photos attest to rails remaining on the ties from West Portal, past the station complex and down the mountainside for at least a short distance.  It is my guess that a rockslide kept the scrapper from retrieving these rails when he salvaged them in 1923/4.  I contacted Ray Rossman, the US Forest Serviceman who managed this area for many years, asking him what happened to those rails.  He responded that the Forest Service turned the old roadbed into a drivable road on the west side in 1959, shearing off the old ties and so forth.  Schneider's visit was in 1958 and, based on his photos, some rails had already been removed, though not all of them, as demonstrated by his other photos.

Had the Forest Service already begun their work and Schneider simply visited before its completion in 1959?  While there is a documented missing rail inside Alpine Tunnel that must have been hauled off by some treasure hunter, in this case there appears to have been a length of track without rails on either side.  Who could have hauled off full lengths of rails?   Or was it a local who wanted it for some practical purpose on his farm or mine?  Who would go through the trouble of driving up to 11,000 feet, over railway ties no less, to do this?  Alas, we'll probably never know.

Source: "Lew Schneider Photo Gallery." The Narrow Gauge Circle.